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Post by purerockfury414 on Jan 29, 2007 12:21:43 GMT -5
elaborate please
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Post by jerseymike on Jan 29, 2007 13:12:27 GMT -5
They've been doing that for awhile now.
that's why you'll never see an RTP band in there again.
too bad too...used to be a cool spot.
drugs are bad, mkay?
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Post by DeafnDum on Jan 29, 2007 14:01:58 GMT -5
Whats an RTP band?
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Post by jerseymike on Jan 29, 2007 16:12:06 GMT -5
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Post by john on Jan 30, 2007 10:17:59 GMT -5
it cost alot of money for
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Post by onearmscissor on Jan 30, 2007 19:18:38 GMT -5
I heard from a pretty good source (your own band) that this isn't the first place you had this same problem. Maybe you could be a little more pro and not run up a retarded bar tab.
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Post by sayten on Jan 30, 2007 19:44:14 GMT -5
This should get good..... positive comments abound
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Post by ccup on Jan 30, 2007 21:14:28 GMT -5
Shithole??? Hmm are you talking about me?? Let's see first off You drank 145.00 tab that was never promised you! Thats the 1st thing. 2nd, if you have a problem say it to my face . As for my shitty tattoos , don't be mad that i'm half your age and done twice as much. So if your mad about drinking 145 bucks of drinks for free and geting handed a 100 bucks then you are just too cool for me. I'm really gonna miss another cover band . YOU ARE A DIME A DOZEN ! the mid life crisis is over so don't blame me! By the way I almost forget, silly me. So you called the day of your show you call me at 8:30 am to tell me you can't play. Hmm did you forget? So I said "come anyways don't do a cover charge and just do it karoke style and its better then nothing". So you could of stayed at home and watched reruns of matlock. But insted you had fun got drunk and paid . So really who is the "shithole"  ? Think about this tonite. Are you the shithole or am I ?? |
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Post by sayten on Jan 30, 2007 21:43:46 GMT -5
Shithole??? Hmm are you talking about me??
Let's see first off You drank 145.00 tab that was never promised you!
2nd, if you have a problem say it to my face .
As for my shitty tattoos , don't be mad that i'm half your age and done twice as much.
So if your mad about drinking 145 bucks of drinks for free and geting handed a 100 bucks then you are just too cool for me.
I'm really gonna miss another cover band . YOU ARE A DIME A DOZEN ! the mid life crisis is over so don't blame me!
By the way I almost forgot, silly me.
You called the day of your show at 8:30 am to tell me you couldn't play.
Hmm did you forget? So I said "come anyways don't do a cover charge and do it karaoke style... its better then nothing"...
So you could have stayed at home and watched reruns of matlock. Instead you had fun got drunk and paid .
So really who is the "shithole"?
Think about this tonite.
Are you the shithole or am I ?? easier to read version |
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Post by Mickulz on Jan 30, 2007 21:50:53 GMT -5
$145 bar tab. Sounds like one of my old nights. Course it was just me.
Fool you once, shame on them...Fool you twice, shame on you.
Should have gotten it all in writing.
I have to admit, the tone of the response does not make me want to rush out and drink there, but hey..Not much does any more.
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Post by mvt on Jan 30, 2007 21:53:45 GMT -5
First of all, every band who has played at the Tavern has gotten paid what has been promised. And, Jersey you should be ashamed of yourself, the tavern has signed contracts with you and always paid the bands and covered more drinks than were promised. The tapes from the register are always available for any band to see at the end of the night for the time period they are here.
I personally find it very disheartening that when the band in question was at the Tavern and the time came to pay out it was told to the drummer of Feedback what their tab was and before anyone could even talk to "the drummer" he went off like a 5 alarm fire which confirms the fact that he was intoxicated and did drink a $145 tab. They were essentially paid $250 for a mediocre at best night. And without the band in tact. Not to mention the payday they were brought when they were booked for a gig that the Tavern had worked out with their regulars which uped the bands pay after they brought no one the two gigs before and got paid plus rediculous tabs.
Now, the fact that we are making comments about someone's look or style is infact childish. So, are we now going to predjidice the society in which we have worked so hard to meld. Are we now reverting back to a time when our country was in an infantile state and lacked movement toward prejudice? Are we now going to make fun of Rockers, Hippies, & People of Color again. Grow up people if you cannot, in a drunken state or not, sit down and be amiable then keep your comments to yourself and grow up.
And, for those of you wondering, These tatoo's are not cheep and if you are going to call Jeff Messersmith from "Permanent Impressions" a bad tatoo artist, I will be more than happy to let him and his boys know.
So, maybe we should contact The Restaurant Association and The Tavern Association and propose that contracts be signed and 1099's be issued for every band throughout the year. Especially since these establishments not only have to pay you but pay a liscensing fee every year plus deal with noice ordinance and deal with attitude from the bands and not to mention the lack of tipping for the employees of these establishments.
We are all supposed to be adults and this is business but obviously some just are not professional enough to swim with the sharks.
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Post by sayten on Jan 30, 2007 22:07:12 GMT -5
fucking colored hippie rockers.....
I would like to say that I personally like the The Marysville Tavern... It's probably my favorite place to go to shows in the summer time... although the tunnel freaks me out a bit....
I'll be there again...
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Post by rockout on Jan 31, 2007 9:12:21 GMT -5
Sheesh...clubs NEVER screw bands over! Clubs allllways pay bands what is agreed on, and it's alllllways the bands fault when they get screwed because they suck.....Oh, come ooon! By the way, pigs can fly too! Shit, I'd be pissed too if someone robbed me. I don't blame the dude for flippin a lid. Place is probably run by a bunch of drunks or coke heads...usually is the case in my experience.
And just because a few folks had a nice time at a place doesn't mean it's an establishment that's on the up and up. I'm so sick of shitty club owners (I preface that by saying most are decent people) who jerk around hard working muscians by not paying them...and then "said bands" end up catching a bunch of flack for telling people about it. I know musicians are partiers and can be fickle, but we do sometimes get jerked around by clubs that can't really afford to cough up the dough, but they still want to keep bands playing. Bunch of shit if you ask me.
Sorry to hear about your tough luck dudes...I feel ya!
Also...I'll let people know about the Marysville jerkoffs! Us bands need to stick together. You might want to use a signed agreement in the future...just my two cents.
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Post by onearmscissor on Jan 31, 2007 9:53:01 GMT -5
i think it's pathetic that you are even involved in this argument.
"you drank too much"
"no i didn't"
"yes you did"
STUPID!!!
I think you should just find another "shithole" to play at.
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Post by rockout on Jan 31, 2007 10:11:38 GMT -5
Not that anyone cares what I think, but after re-reading these posts, I think the person who posted from mvt (Marysville Tavern) needs an English lesson...couldn't understand much of what they typed. WTF??
Never been there, but it sounds like such a fine establishment from the tone of their response. LOL! BTW - what fuckin band doesn't have a bar tab??? Only $145??? You guys are light-weights!! I always get the clubs to throw in the booze (and food if possible)....why bother playing if you're gonna spend your gig money on the bar bill? All that work to turn around and hand the money back to the bar?? Fuck that! If it's a good place to gig they take care of you. Hey Marysville Tavern...if you can't take good care of your entertainment maybe you shouldn't act like you can afford it which you obviously can't. Also, why re-book a mediocore band?? Sounds to me like you just want something for nothing. And yeah...you're emails make you look bad.
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Post by Mickulz on Jan 31, 2007 10:47:39 GMT -5
We (at Angelina's) would always throw in the draft beers, soda, and water. But to cover a $145 tab of booze is out of hand. If the band draws poor numbers, the bar would loose a ton. If you pay a band $400 to play + $145 tab and they draw 20 ppl, then what good is that.
The point is all moot if the bar agreed ahead of time to what they covered then did not deliver.
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Post by rockout on Jan 31, 2007 11:54:55 GMT -5
Clubs should pay what they agree to pay....regardless of what size crowd the band brings in. It's just the right thing to do.
I understand a club needs to make money, but since they are the purported experts and know what kind of profit and loss they make year to year (on average)...they should book accordingly. And if they aren't happy with a bands performance or size of draw...don't invite them back. Not that complicated, really. And it goes both ways friends; if the club doesn't hold up their end of the agreement on the first booking ...really....save yourself the trouble and don't go back. That's just asking for a reaming....sorry.
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Post by Mickulz on Jan 31, 2007 12:07:47 GMT -5
That is why we switched to paying a % (or all) of the door at the end. Bands would bullshit us about what they were going to bring and how they were going to promote.
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Post by badattitude on Jan 31, 2007 19:29:41 GMT -5
LOL!!! This is VERY interesting reading. The bar tab in question was also draft beers. But it REALLY doesn't matter. Getting it in writing is DEFINATELY the way ANY band should do it with ANY club. I'm sure that mistake will NEVER happen again. It obviously shows that some clubs cannot be trusted to live up to there end of the bargain. It's a shame HONEST business is a thing of the past.
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Post by sayten on Jan 31, 2007 20:13:55 GMT -5
WHy do YoU uSe YoUR capSlocK so inDIscrImInatEly
My tab is always 0.00 when I roll from da club...... that's cause I'm the man.... beotch!!!!!
that and I don't drink....
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Post by badattitude on Jan 31, 2007 20:16:49 GMT -5
Niether Do I NumNutZ!!! hA
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Post by sayten on Jan 31, 2007 20:28:44 GMT -5
Niether Do I NumNutZ!!! hA congratulations.... I wasn't actually talking to you though.... I'm glad to know that there are more like me |
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Post by Mickulz on Jan 31, 2007 22:28:45 GMT -5
LOL!!! This is VERY interesting reading. The bar tab in question was also draft beers. But it REALLY doesn't matter. Getting it in writing is DEFINATELY the way ANY band should do it with ANY club. I'm sure that mistake will NEVER happen again. It obviously shows that some clubs cannot be trusted to live up to there end of the bargain. It's a shame HONEST business is a thing of the past. $145 of Draft beer only? That is supsect. That means the band was either piss drunk, or they were buying beer for their buddies. I dunno...Not my problem, but I think there are details being left out. |
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Post by bobster on Feb 1, 2007 10:28:41 GMT -5
I really couldn't pass up on this opportunity .... good old El Cabong seems to forget very quickly what he / they post about other bands they don't like in the exact same situation at another location ... (except we weren't drunk and had a whole band).
Wow .. there IS karma man ... Out of Nowhere loves it ....
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« Reply #7 on Jan 3, 2007, 7:35pm »
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Enough allready you freakin' sensative babies. Take the criticism and quit crying!! If you were worth a shit, you would've got paid.
Translation: If the bar don't make no money...you don't make no money!
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Sounds like more crying to me...shut-up allready!! Don't air your dirty laundry in public, as noone cares. And yes, you all seem like a bunch of assclowns
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Post by anthonyc on Feb 1, 2007 12:44:08 GMT -5
What if cover bands had to purchase their own ASCAP and BMI licenses?  |
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Post by John Kerecz on Feb 1, 2007 12:51:43 GMT -5
I have thought on that before, and I am sure that is in the works!!! and of course it is all to help the original artists!!! (if they see any of the money at all)
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Post by rockout on Feb 1, 2007 12:56:58 GMT -5
what's a ASCAP or BMI license?
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Post by Brian on Feb 1, 2007 13:28:33 GMT -5
What if cover bands had to purchase their own ASCAP and BMI licenses? We would still be making money. Playing in an active cover band has lots of expenses. This would just be one more expense we would have to deal with. But what does cover band expenses, or the expenses a club has, have to do with the price of tea in China? Coming from experience, fulfilment of a contract, verbal or written needs to be met by both parties invloved, regardless of anyone else's expenses. IMHO |
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Post by Mickulz on Feb 1, 2007 15:32:23 GMT -5
His business "accumen" is about as good as your grammar. It is "acumen" (a·cu·men ).
If you are going to insult someone, at least do it correctly. Geez.
I still would like to hear what both sides say was promised. I still think there is something being left out.
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Post by Mickulz on Feb 1, 2007 18:23:08 GMT -5
But you have not stated what you "were promised" either. So right now, I would have to take the venue's side (if I actually cared that much) because the burden of proof is on you.
1. How much were you promised to be paid for this gig?
2. How much were you promised to make up for a past gig?
3. What comps were included (drafts, food, travel, lodging, etc..)?
4. Did you arrive and play at the time you were supposed to?
Everyone keeps talking about facts, but no one is posting any actual facts, other than the $145 bar tab (which, knowing your band is believeable, and that is not a cut at all).
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? Think about this tonite. Are you the shithole or am I ??
