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Post by DeafnDum on Jan 3, 2007 20:04:09 GMT -5
It just dawned on me that many of us that participate on this sight work for restaurants, or have in the recent past. MAybe that's why no one has filled this topic area with critiques yet.
Okay then, here's my list of acceptable choices for going out based on beer selection and pricing along with typical amount of decent looking women (ie, usually not sausage fests)
Gullifty's
Ceolta's
ABC
Champions
Tubbys
Fat Daddy's if you're in York
Chicks Tavern in Hummelstown
Double K's
And not to rag to heavily on the Kamionka Dynasty but, did we really need another Hardware bar on the west shore? It's scary about the general mentality of this area - a school of brainless fish who just follow each other.
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Post by sayten on Jan 3, 2007 20:19:36 GMT -5
I like fishing.....
Is Double K's the old Lighthouse? I'm just down the road from there....
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Post by HBGOnline on Jan 3, 2007 20:52:25 GMT -5
The Lighthouse ;D
I remember seeing DCB Band playing there a few times. I thought for sure Slayer was going to bust through the floor at any minute with his jumping around on those floor boards.
I think the best was their beer coolers. Actually Igloo coolers with ice setting on the bar. Pissing in the parking lot, getting hit on by the trailer trash, oh the memories. A top notch establishment that will deeply be missed.
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Post by sayten on Jan 3, 2007 21:31:18 GMT -5
you went all the way to the parking lot to pee? I thought that was why they had missing floor pieces by the pool table....
who knew
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Post by Mickulz on Jan 4, 2007 0:02:23 GMT -5
I hit on Darcie one time at Chickies..I didnt know she was underage at the time...
Now it is no fun
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Post by sayten on Jan 4, 2007 0:36:36 GMT -5
par for the course ehhh dan....
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Post by John Kerecz on Jan 4, 2007 21:04:28 GMT -5
Well at least it was a girl that time he was hitting on!!!
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Post by DeafnDum on Jan 7, 2007 21:41:33 GMT -5
Thats my grandparents house across the street from the Lighthouse, now Double K's. I got served in there when I was 15. The best story had to be either the state cops coming in because of guys who were 1) making meth in the little building adjacent to it and 2) checking out their automatic weapons in the back yard, both at the same time. How stupid can a meth maker be? "no, this ain't gonna attract attention". The other good one was the truck driver on above mentioned Meth driving his whole rig into our front pond thinking it was a parking lot. Maybe the moon was reflecting off it in an unusual fashion.
PS the new owners really gutted the building. You won't recognize it. THere is plumbing, a floor in the guys room, and people with a full set of teeth that can connect rational thoughts together in a sentence. Its a nice place.
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Post by purerockfury414 on Jan 8, 2007 13:49:30 GMT -5
so I take it the klan meetings were moved to the Holiday Inn up the road?
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Post by sayten on Jan 9, 2007 21:43:54 GMT -5
Hey that's where I go swimming...... there are Police groups there all the time...
I usually don't go when the drug dogs get together.... they uh... scare the kids
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Post by scotchboy on Jan 9, 2007 23:20:12 GMT -5
Are we referring to the "Fight-house?" I used to play there with my old band. It was always an entertaining venue to play at.
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Post by DeafnDum on Jan 10, 2007 20:42:58 GMT -5
YEp, the Fight House. God bless her .... lower middle white america in a nutshell. PArk your nascar watchin ass down and snort some meth.
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Post by sayten on Jan 10, 2007 22:29:39 GMT -5
the Meth was all mainlined....
mixed with Nascars Official Battery Acid
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Post by oquatanginwann on Apr 11, 2007 8:46:35 GMT -5
And not to rag to heavily on the Kamionka Dynasty but, did we really need another Hardware bar on the west shore? It's scary about the general mentality of this area - a school of brainless fish who just follow each other. I think it would be defined as good business sense on Kamionka's part. Coincidentally, the West Shore location is the best of the three in every aspect from setup, stage, room for people to the sound. Word on the street is the next one will be showing up in Lancaster soon. Hate the game, not the players. |
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Post by Mickulz on Apr 11, 2007 9:30:32 GMT -5
It is ok to hate the players. They make the game.
Funny what a little paint will do. 5 years ago everyone bashed Wanda's.
I bet there is no more new Hardware Bars ...Call it a hunch.
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Post by oquatanginwann on Apr 11, 2007 9:46:01 GMT -5
You are correct, they do make the game as well as the facilities where the game can play out.
People are craving places to go, so I wouldn't classify them as brainless fish because of their decision to head to a Hardware Bar. Simply stated, the general mentaility in this area is actually pretty exciting for everyone involved. On any given weekend, Ceoltas, Bickhaus, Scott's, Zembies, McGraths....are equally as packed. As a musician, this simply offers more places to play and make money. As a fan of live music, it offers more possibilities and choices from original bands, cover bands, Dj's, etc. This is light years away from the choices we had "back in the day". It was Midtown Tavern (had to set my drums up around the big screen TV and the buffet bar), Vault, Gullifty's and Metron. You would never had seen a whole block closed down for a beerfest complete with a roster of excellent bands.
Granted, I look back fondly at these times past, but would much prefer where things are today.
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Post by Mickulz on Apr 11, 2007 10:56:40 GMT -5
The problem is the area is over exposed.
To say they are "equally" packed is not the case anymore. I have heard it straight from the horses mouths from a few venues who are in real trouble.
If you look back in the day (which I agree with you) they had a lot in common:
You could go from Scotts, to Deweys, to Zembie, to the vault all in one night.
Now the problem is to bar hop downtown will cost you a bit in covers and you have to make sure you are wearing "bar friendly" attire for each venue.
I am not bashing any venue in particular, I just think that we are going to see some places start to drop off.
I just do not see the logic of trying to open another HWB in another "drivable" town. Look at what is up with York. You can not tell me that financially all the venues downtown York are making a profit. Look at what was (and who knows what it is now) Bahama Mammas.
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Post by oquatanginwann on Apr 11, 2007 11:14:00 GMT -5
Good point. Overexposure is definitely an issue. Kind of a double-edged sword. On one hand, a businessman is capitalizing on a trend. On the other hand, it's another cookie cutter molded club with nothing really new to offer other than a new location. It's really strange. I hear the same rumblings. I keep hearing how bad the Quarter is doing, but then hear that they're making the killing downtown. Conversely, I was in Ceolta's last weekend and the joint was packed by 11:00 and they're finishing the upstairs to apparently have bands.
Bar friendly attire...too funny. I was at York hardware the other night. The downstairs is now a full-fledged casino. I was asked by the bouncer to take off my plain white knit cap because it was against dress code. No one complained when I put on my mullet wig though....go figure.
Personally, I wouldn't go near York if i were an investor or club owner. As soon as we were done, I went outside and there was a mass of people with two in the middle throwing hands. That is, until the cops came and started spray bombing the block with pepper spray. Apparently, this is a regular event.
As far as places dropping off, I was disappointed to see MARS fall by the wayside. It truly was a different place from the rest. I haven't been in Smalls yet, but have heard good things.
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Post by alongfortheride on Apr 11, 2007 11:51:34 GMT -5
Wonder what a Lancaster HWB would do to The Village?
I enjoyed MARS the few times that I went, but unfortunately the Martini trend was very short-lived. Smalls is having ska and punk bands tho.. Too bad I'm not really in that scene anymore, funny thing is that the same bands are playing across the river at Champion Ship for the kiddies..
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Post by oquatanginwann on Apr 11, 2007 12:22:02 GMT -5
My belief is that a Hardware Bar in Lancaster would directly hurt the Village for two reasons. First and most importantly, the Village is old. New blood would stir things up for sure. Second, bands have to honor the 10 mile non-compete if you want to play the HW bars.
Would bands choose to play a new Hardware Bar over the Village if both are paying the same? The difference between the two venues is that people go to the Hardware Bar regardless of who's playing, whereas people only go to the Village depending on who's playing......
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Post by alongfortheride on Apr 11, 2007 14:15:14 GMT -5
I'm not answering that for fear of losing our gigs at The Village  |
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Post by sayten on Apr 11, 2007 18:28:43 GMT -5
What really needs said is that most of the people going to these places have no taste in music...
We had this topic on the old board... They put up an amazing band and there are 300 people there... next week it's Assmonkeys and The Bungsniffers and there are 300 people.....
it's bullshit commercialism that I am proud to say that I take no part in
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Post by alongfortheride on Apr 12, 2007 6:22:42 GMT -5
That being said, as a cover band you can make some serious $$$ there. The fact that you play there allows you to command more money from just about any other venue, too. I'm in a cover band to make money, plain and simple. I've spent god knows how many dollars on gear over the last 20 years, and I'm now - finally - starting to make more money than I spend. Hell, I even did a soundtrack for a video game produced by Acclaim studios, and I still got nothing.
The girls go there to dance, they don't want to hear Rush and Dream Theater covers. The dudes go there for the girls. I wish more peoplie liked original music, but around here they don't. Sooo, if you want to make money, you play covers. If you play covers, the Hardware Bar is the top of the food chain.
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Post by oquatanginwann on Apr 12, 2007 7:46:25 GMT -5
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I know that I have made more money and have played in front of more people in two months of playing covers at the Hardware Bars than I have made in ten years playing originals. There is a trade off though to not making money. Playing in New York, Philly, Los Angeles, San Diego, Memphis, Nashville as well as recording and releasing something that is our own. Artisitc integrity? Sure.
However, I will also say that playing in original bands, I've encountered more musical snobs with closed minds then I can count who really do nothing but criticize anyone who doesn't agree with their musical tunnel vision. The people I play with now conversely have an incredibly broad musical background and appreciation as well as being exceptional musicians and entertainers.
You may say that we therefore also lack taste in music and are assholes because we play covers, however, our musical tastes have nothing to do with what we do. Maybe people who go to the Hardware Bar simply just want to have fun regardless of musical taste. Business is business.
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Post by Mickulz on Apr 12, 2007 8:33:15 GMT -5
Wow..I won on the over/under as to when this would turn in to an Original vs Cover thread.
Now, if we can just work in the pubic hair thread, all will be right in cyberspace.
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Post by DeafnDum on Apr 12, 2007 8:47:03 GMT -5
I too have been and am a cover band music whore but also play in an original band. Yep - money is better in the Cover working band situation, and yep, Hardworn Bar(s) are the top of the food chain.
And more people voted for the last winner of American Idol than for President of the U.S.
SO what's this all say? Maybe it's that overall, a large percentage of Americans must be spoon-fed enlightenment. And that if told enough times something is good, they'll believe it's good. Also that many, many people don't develop their own educated and informed decisions.
I'm getting depressed. Reality is setting in.
Back to the music thing ... I guess it's good just to play, whether it's covers or originals. At least we do it. They sit there and watch and then form an opinion. Well, we hope they watch.
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Post by oquatanginwann on Apr 12, 2007 8:55:55 GMT -5
Pretty much spot on. I'm just happy to be playing and making money. It's taken a lot of years and effort to get to this point....just so happens that it's playing covers now to achieve it. Reality sucks sometimes. Just have to figure out how to mold the clay to work in your favor rather than remark at how crappy it looks in it's present state and do nothing.
It's not my job to try and figure out why people go where they go or listen to what they listen to. It's further not my job to judge them. To me, they are my paycheck and I'm happy to see them as the crowd and money are why I'm playing covers. If the two weren't there, I would prefer to play originals. That being said, I do still play in an original band....and we play out maybe once or twice a year for beans. We play because we love creating original music.
However, I will say that it's a lot nicer to see a packed house of people that are into what we're doing that night as opposed to playing to an empty room where you can distinguish each of the ten people clapping. After 30 years of playing, it's nice to finally see a return on the effort.
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Post by alongfortheride on Apr 12, 2007 9:48:47 GMT -5
I don't think this is a covers vs. original battle or anything like that. I don't think theres a single musician in a coverband that wouldn't want the same crowds for their original music. The truth of the matter is that the masses don't like new music until they are told so by the mainstream media. It's nice that we have the Internets (thanks Sayten, it's now right up there with saying 'mines') so the tiny independent can get some small level of attention that they may not have previously.
I don't think I'll ever say that I'm happy playing Bon Jovi tunes.
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Post by Mickulz on Apr 12, 2007 9:49:49 GMT -5
And more people voted for the last winner of American Idol than for President of the U.S. Honestly, that is only because there are more people ages 14-25 (the key AI demo) then there are registered voters. The only reason I bring this up, is because we had this huge debate on the old board |
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Post by sayten on Apr 12, 2007 18:40:59 GMT -5
I (in no way) wanted to disparage yous peoples playing in covers bands... I don't thinks I evens mentioned the words....
I'm more repulsed by the people.... I was @ dragon fly for one of Thursday night shows that some of my NE PA friends were playing...about a year ago... that was the last time I was down there... 2 year hiatus from Hardware bar and I don't miss a thing.... except Tuesdays but I can't go to them because of my work....
I can have just as much fun playing to a vacant lot then a vacant crowd....
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