Post by seanx on Nov 15, 2007 7:27:11 GMT -5
I suppose this subject could use it's own thread for a debate, so I carried it over from the presidential dynasty subject.
To fully grasp the Illuminati you would have to read both sides of the debate on this one. Some Freemasons are naive/deceptive enough to say it never/doesn't exist. Robison and Barruel were two authors who should be read when covering the conspiracy theory side. And McKeown is someone who attempts to debunk what they have written and protects the Freemasonic agenda. Once both sides have been read then it comes down to MOTIVE and CREDIBILITY. Personally I see absolutely NO motive for Robison's documentation other than to alert his fellow Freemasons and the public of an infiltration into Freemasonry by the group.
Here's the definition of the Illuminati from 33rd degree Albert Mackey's Encyclopedia of Freemasonry:
ILLUMINATI OF BAVARIA
A secret society, founded on May 1, 1776, by Adam Weishaupt, who was Professor of Canon Law at the University of Ingolstadt. Its founder at first called it the Order of the Perfectibilists; but he subsequently gave it the name by which it is now universally known. Its professed object was, by the mutual assistance of its members, to attain the highest possible degree of morality and virtue, and to lay the foundation for the reformation of the world by the association of good men to oppose the progress of moral evil.
To give to the Order a higher influence, Weishaupt connected it with the Masonic Institution, after whose system of Degrees, of esoteric instruction, and of secret modes of recognition, it was organized. It has thus become confounded by superficial writers with Freemasonry, although it never could be considered as properly a Masonic Rite. Weishaupt, though a reformer in religion and a liberal in politics, had originally been a Jesuit; and he employed, therefore, in the construction of his association, the shrewdness and subtlety which distinguished the disciples of Loyola; and having been initiated in 1777 in a Lodge at Munich, he also borrowed for its use the mystical organization which was peculiar to Freemasonry. In this latter task he was greatly assisted by the Baron Von Knigge, a zealous and well-instructed Freemason, who joined the Illuminati in 1780, and soon became a leader, dividing with Weishaupt the control and direction of the Order.
In its internal organization the Order of Illuminati was divided into three great classes, namely,
1. The Sursery;
2. Symbolic Freemasonry; and
3. The Mysteries; each of which was subdivided into several Degrees, making ten in all, as in the following table:
I. Nursery. After a ceremony of preparation it began:
1. Novice.
2. Minerval.
3 Illuminatus Minor.
II. Symbolic Freemasonry.
The first three Degrees were communicated without any exact respect to the divisions. and then the candidate proceeded:
4 Illuminates Major, or Scottish Novice.
5 Illuminates Diligent, or Scottish Knight.
III. The Mysteries.
This class was subdivided into the Lesser and the Greater Mysteries.
The Lesser Mysteries were:
6. Presbyter, Priest, or Epops.
7. Prince, or Regent.
The Greater Mysteries were:
8 Magus.
9 Rex, or King.
Anyone otherwise qualified could be received into the Degree of Novice at the age of eighteen; and after a probation of not less than a year he was admitted to the Second and Third Degrees, and so on to the advanced Degrees; though but few reached the Ninth and Tenth Degrees, in which the inmost secret designs of the Order were contained, and, in fact, it is said that these last Degrees were never thoroughly worked up. The Illuminati selected for themselves Order Names, which were always of a classical character. Thus, Weishaupt called himself Spartocus, Knigge was Philo, and Zwack, another leader, was known as Cato. They gave also fictitious names to countries. Ingolstadt, where the Order originated, was called Eleusis; Austria was Egypt, in reference to the Egyptian darkness of that kingdom, which excluded all Freemasonry from its territories; Munich was called Athens, and Vienna was Rome. The Order had also its calendar, and the months were designated by peculiar names; as, Dimeh for January, and Bemeh for February. They had also a cipher, in which the official correspondence of the members was conducted. The character now so much used by Freemasons to represent a Lodge, was invented and first used by the Illuminati.
The Order was at first very popular, and enrolled no less than two thousand names upon its registers, among whom were some of the most distinguished men of Germany. It extended rapidly into other countries, and its Lodges were to be found in France, Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Poland, Hungary, and Italy. The original design of Illuminism was undoubtedly the elevation of the human race. Knigge, who was one of its most prominent working members, and the author of several of its Degrees, was a religious man, and would never have united with it had its object been, as has been charged, to abolish Christianity. But it cannot be denied, that in process of time abuses had crept into the Institution and that by the influence of unworthy men the system became corrupted; yet the coarse accusations of such writers as Barruel and Robison are known to be exaggerated, and some of them altogether false.
The Conversations-Lexicon, for instance, declares that the s society had no influence whatever on the French Revolution, which is charged upon it by these as well as other writers. But Illuminism came directly and professedly in conflict with the Jesuits and with the Roman Church, whose tendencies were to repress the freedom of thought. The priests became, therefore, its active enemies, and waged war so successfully against it, that on June 22, 1784, the Elector of Bavaria issued an Edict for its suppression. Many of its members were fined or imprisoned, and some, among whom was Weishaupt, were compelled to flee the country. The Edicts of the Elector of Bavaria were repeated in March and August, 1785, and the Order began to decline, so that by the end of the eighteenth century it had ceased to exist. Adopting Freemasonry only as a means for its own more successful propagation, and using it only as incidental to its own organization, it exercised while in prosperity no favorable influence on the Masonic Institution, nor any unfavorable effect on it by its dissolution.
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one last thing, it wasn't until Weishaupt became involved in Freemasonry that there were any gawdy rituals, ceremonies and garb. In letters between Weishaupt and his minions, they admit to using all types of religions to combine and create a false sense of their own religious society. They even privately ridicule the members of Freemasonry for joining into this concept wholeheartedly and lavishing in it (remember it started in France in 1776 and the French loved costumes and jewelry and the like).
I also find it somewhat amusing that Mackey states, "it cannot be denied, that in process of time abuses had crept into the Institution and that by the influence of unworthy men the system became corrupted." This is the ONE MAJOR problem I have with Freemasonry altogether. Too many corrupt individuals use it for their own purposes and the good members are made to look bad and have to cover up for them (oh yeah they have their own judgement system within the lodge....that rarely helps out the non-member victim who has been violated by a corrupt member).
To fully grasp the Illuminati you would have to read both sides of the debate on this one. Some Freemasons are naive/deceptive enough to say it never/doesn't exist. Robison and Barruel were two authors who should be read when covering the conspiracy theory side. And McKeown is someone who attempts to debunk what they have written and protects the Freemasonic agenda. Once both sides have been read then it comes down to MOTIVE and CREDIBILITY. Personally I see absolutely NO motive for Robison's documentation other than to alert his fellow Freemasons and the public of an infiltration into Freemasonry by the group.
Here's the definition of the Illuminati from 33rd degree Albert Mackey's Encyclopedia of Freemasonry:
ILLUMINATI OF BAVARIA
A secret society, founded on May 1, 1776, by Adam Weishaupt, who was Professor of Canon Law at the University of Ingolstadt. Its founder at first called it the Order of the Perfectibilists; but he subsequently gave it the name by which it is now universally known. Its professed object was, by the mutual assistance of its members, to attain the highest possible degree of morality and virtue, and to lay the foundation for the reformation of the world by the association of good men to oppose the progress of moral evil.
To give to the Order a higher influence, Weishaupt connected it with the Masonic Institution, after whose system of Degrees, of esoteric instruction, and of secret modes of recognition, it was organized. It has thus become confounded by superficial writers with Freemasonry, although it never could be considered as properly a Masonic Rite. Weishaupt, though a reformer in religion and a liberal in politics, had originally been a Jesuit; and he employed, therefore, in the construction of his association, the shrewdness and subtlety which distinguished the disciples of Loyola; and having been initiated in 1777 in a Lodge at Munich, he also borrowed for its use the mystical organization which was peculiar to Freemasonry. In this latter task he was greatly assisted by the Baron Von Knigge, a zealous and well-instructed Freemason, who joined the Illuminati in 1780, and soon became a leader, dividing with Weishaupt the control and direction of the Order.
In its internal organization the Order of Illuminati was divided into three great classes, namely,
1. The Sursery;
2. Symbolic Freemasonry; and
3. The Mysteries; each of which was subdivided into several Degrees, making ten in all, as in the following table:
I. Nursery. After a ceremony of preparation it began:
1. Novice.
2. Minerval.
3 Illuminatus Minor.
II. Symbolic Freemasonry.
The first three Degrees were communicated without any exact respect to the divisions. and then the candidate proceeded:
4 Illuminates Major, or Scottish Novice.
5 Illuminates Diligent, or Scottish Knight.
III. The Mysteries.
This class was subdivided into the Lesser and the Greater Mysteries.
The Lesser Mysteries were:
6. Presbyter, Priest, or Epops.
7. Prince, or Regent.
The Greater Mysteries were:
8 Magus.
9 Rex, or King.
Anyone otherwise qualified could be received into the Degree of Novice at the age of eighteen; and after a probation of not less than a year he was admitted to the Second and Third Degrees, and so on to the advanced Degrees; though but few reached the Ninth and Tenth Degrees, in which the inmost secret designs of the Order were contained, and, in fact, it is said that these last Degrees were never thoroughly worked up. The Illuminati selected for themselves Order Names, which were always of a classical character. Thus, Weishaupt called himself Spartocus, Knigge was Philo, and Zwack, another leader, was known as Cato. They gave also fictitious names to countries. Ingolstadt, where the Order originated, was called Eleusis; Austria was Egypt, in reference to the Egyptian darkness of that kingdom, which excluded all Freemasonry from its territories; Munich was called Athens, and Vienna was Rome. The Order had also its calendar, and the months were designated by peculiar names; as, Dimeh for January, and Bemeh for February. They had also a cipher, in which the official correspondence of the members was conducted. The character now so much used by Freemasons to represent a Lodge, was invented and first used by the Illuminati.
The Order was at first very popular, and enrolled no less than two thousand names upon its registers, among whom were some of the most distinguished men of Germany. It extended rapidly into other countries, and its Lodges were to be found in France, Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Poland, Hungary, and Italy. The original design of Illuminism was undoubtedly the elevation of the human race. Knigge, who was one of its most prominent working members, and the author of several of its Degrees, was a religious man, and would never have united with it had its object been, as has been charged, to abolish Christianity. But it cannot be denied, that in process of time abuses had crept into the Institution and that by the influence of unworthy men the system became corrupted; yet the coarse accusations of such writers as Barruel and Robison are known to be exaggerated, and some of them altogether false.
The Conversations-Lexicon, for instance, declares that the s society had no influence whatever on the French Revolution, which is charged upon it by these as well as other writers. But Illuminism came directly and professedly in conflict with the Jesuits and with the Roman Church, whose tendencies were to repress the freedom of thought. The priests became, therefore, its active enemies, and waged war so successfully against it, that on June 22, 1784, the Elector of Bavaria issued an Edict for its suppression. Many of its members were fined or imprisoned, and some, among whom was Weishaupt, were compelled to flee the country. The Edicts of the Elector of Bavaria were repeated in March and August, 1785, and the Order began to decline, so that by the end of the eighteenth century it had ceased to exist. Adopting Freemasonry only as a means for its own more successful propagation, and using it only as incidental to its own organization, it exercised while in prosperity no favorable influence on the Masonic Institution, nor any unfavorable effect on it by its dissolution.
*
***
one last thing, it wasn't until Weishaupt became involved in Freemasonry that there were any gawdy rituals, ceremonies and garb. In letters between Weishaupt and his minions, they admit to using all types of religions to combine and create a false sense of their own religious society. They even privately ridicule the members of Freemasonry for joining into this concept wholeheartedly and lavishing in it (remember it started in France in 1776 and the French loved costumes and jewelry and the like).
I also find it somewhat amusing that Mackey states, "it cannot be denied, that in process of time abuses had crept into the Institution and that by the influence of unworthy men the system became corrupted." This is the ONE MAJOR problem I have with Freemasonry altogether. Too many corrupt individuals use it for their own purposes and the good members are made to look bad and have to cover up for them (oh yeah they have their own judgement system within the lodge....that rarely helps out the non-member victim who has been violated by a corrupt member).
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