djsharon
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Post by djsharon on Mar 1, 2006 12:43:04 GMT -5
Has anyone heard about that new town in Florida that's being built by the Domino's pizza guy?? It's based on strict Roman Catholic principles, and they are going to have a ban on birth control and pornography!! What's the deal with that?
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Post by TAFKA g0d on Mar 1, 2006 13:36:52 GMT -5
Are you sure it's a town? or a college? I heard about a college being built by him down there, but not a town.
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Post by TAFKA g0d on Mar 1, 2006 13:54:26 GMT -5
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Post by TAFKA g0d on Mar 1, 2006 13:56:55 GMT -5
I'm sorry... it is a town and a University.... not sure if the township part will stand very long (legalities). The only way I could see it sticking around is if all the homes are rental properties.
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djsharon
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Post by djsharon on Mar 1, 2006 17:10:09 GMT -5
I saw the website, and all I can say is... has anyone seen the old movie "The Stepford Wives?"
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Post by Mickulz on Mar 1, 2006 17:32:58 GMT -5
Actually, it is a community. So they can pretty much do what they want inside it.
Anyone else notice that the whole thing is surrounded by water. That is tragedy waiting to happen.
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Post by sayten on Mar 1, 2006 19:43:19 GMT -5
insignificant
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Post by TAFKA g0d on Mar 2, 2006 7:39:04 GMT -5
Define community...
Catholics.... gotta love em.....
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Post by HBGOnline on Mar 2, 2006 10:35:44 GMT -5
Here's an article I stumbled across.
(2/28/06 - NAPLES, FL) - If Domino's Pizza founder Thomas S. Monaghan has his way, a new town being built in a quiet corner of southwest Florida will be governed by strict Catholic principles, particularly when it comes to sex.
The pizza magnate, raised by nuns in orphanages, is bankrolling the town called Ave Maria with millions of dollars, calling its construction "God's will." Stores won't sell pornographic magazines, pharmacies won't carry condoms or birth control pills, and cable television will carry no X-rated channels, he said in a speech last year to the first annual Boston Catholic Men's Conference.
Civil libertarians say the plan is unconstitutional and promise lawsuits.
The town is being constructed around Ave Maria University, the first Catholic university to be built in the United States in four decades, which Monaghan also founded. Both are set to open next year about 25 miles east of Naples.
The community, developed through a partnership with the Barron Collier Company, an agricultural and real estate firm, will be set on 5,000 acres with a European-inspired town center. It will encircle a massive church and what planners call the largest crucifix in the nation, standing nearly 65 feet tall.
Robert Falls, a spokesman for the project, said attorneys are still reviewing the legal issues of the proposed bans. He said Monaghan would not comment until the issue is resolved.
"If they attempt to do what he apparently wants to do, the people of Naples and Collier County, Florida, are in for a whole series of legal and constitutional problems and a lot of litigation indefinitely into the future," said Howard Simon, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida.
While Simon notes there are religiously homogenous communities across the country, from Hasidic Jews to Mormons, none can "wield governmental power along the lines of religious principle."
Monaghan and Barron Collier will control all commercial real estate in the town and could include provisions in leases that restrict the sale of certain items. Homes will range from affordable to extravagant and will be purchased outright by prospective buyers.
Unlike some states, Florida pharmacies don't have to provide contraceptives.
"The law doesn't say exactly what a pharmacy has to stock or sell," said Thometta Cozart, a spokeswoman for the state Department of Health.
Naples Community Hospital, which plans to open a clinic in the town, will not prescribe any birth control to students. The hospital has not decided whether it will prescribe to the general public.
"I believe all of history is just one big battle between good and evil. I don't want to be on the sidelines," Monaghan said in a recent Newsweek interview.
However, Simon points to a 1946 Supreme Court opinion that "ownership does not always mean absolute dominion."
Florida Attorney General Charlie Crist said it will be up to the courts to decide the legalities of the plan.
"The community has the right to provide a wholesome environment," Crist said Tuesday. "If someone disagrees, they have the right to go to court and present facts before a judge."
A telephone message left for Collier County officials was not immediately returned.
Gov. Jeb Bush, at the university's recent groundbreaking, lauded the development as a new kind of town, where faith and freedom will merge to create a community of like-minded citizens. Bush, a convert to Catholicism, did not speak specifically to the proposed restrictions.
"While the governor does not personally believe in abortion or pornography, the town, and any restrictions they may place on businesses choosing to locate there, must comply with the laws and constitution of the state and federal governments," Russell Schweiss, a spokesman for the governor, said Tuesday.
"This is country club Christianity," said Frances Kissling, president of the liberal Washington, D.C.-based Catholics for a Free Choice, which opposes the church's bans on abortion and birth control.
She likened the town's concept to Islamic fundamentalism and teaching intolerance.
"This is un-American," Kissling said. "I don't think in a democratic society you can have a legally organized township that will seek to have any kind of public service whatsoever and try to restrict the constitutional rights of citizens."
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Post by TAFKA g0d on Mar 2, 2006 10:55:30 GMT -5
Number 1, having sex only for procreation is not scriptural.
Number 2, they ban X-rated channels, but what about shows on cable that display sex and violence that I'm sure God is not too fond of as well? Are those okay?
This world's religions are so hypocritical... its honestly disgusting.
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djsharon
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Post by djsharon on Mar 2, 2006 14:01:30 GMT -5
If we order a Domino's pizza, does it come with a free "Ave Maria" brochure and a bible??
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Post by Mickulz on Mar 2, 2006 15:08:44 GMT -5
Thank god I dont eat pizza, let alone Dominoes.
Two toppings and some Kool-aide for $6.66
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Post by sayten on Mar 2, 2006 23:49:43 GMT -5
easy with the subliminal messages there buddy......
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Post by newsguy on Mar 8, 2006 13:59:41 GMT -5
I have relatives in the Fort Myers/Naples area. When we visitied them last summer, this was on the front page of the local paper like every day. Its huge, and it sounds crazy, but I think people will flock to move there. I just wonder, with no birth control, how long until they run out of room for people there? F**ked up.
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Post by TAFKA g0d on Mar 8, 2006 14:48:15 GMT -5
Yeah... I'm sure there are enough radical catholics to fill the place... I am just wondering mainly about the legality of it......
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Post by sayten on Mar 9, 2006 19:50:32 GMT -5
if I win the lottery I am going to build a city.... nobody is invited.....
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Post by zendog64 on Mar 10, 2006 2:24:33 GMT -5
How can Ms. Kissling possibly denounce this project as "Un-American"? To my knowledge, I can't think of any other nation in the world where people are as free to express their religious beliefs as they are here in the good 'ol USA. It was ideas like Ave Maria (as zany and hare-brained as it may seem) that motivated the founders of this country in the first place. To me, the only people who sound un-American are the idiots who are protesting. Hell, I'm the last person in the world who would move into a community like that, but if those wacky Catholics want to start their own little community, I say go for it.
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Post by sayten on Mar 10, 2006 3:29:04 GMT -5
it's easier to watch them.... could be like that Jim Carrey movie..... The Truman Show
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Post by Mickulz on Mar 10, 2006 10:33:41 GMT -5
I think (and I may be wrong) that her comment about being "Un-American" is because they are trying to circumvent some laws and pretty much make this like an oppressed state (for lake of better example).
I am one of the most un-Christian (please note I did not say non-religious) I know. I say if they want to do it, let them. I would suspect that they will have to follow the laws of Florida like every other community.
I wonder what it will be like though for the people that live there and have their children grow up there. Will they be able to go outside the local school for education, and not get chastized for it?
I am gearing up for the much larger battle of: Roe v Wade 2006. If this whole thing was not a set up in the making, I would be suprised.
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Post by TAFKA g0d on Mar 10, 2006 11:40:27 GMT -5
Honestly... this issue about dads having the choice.... is just crap.... I'm personally anti-abortion (not radical), so that may shape my views some... but yeah... I think its pretty disgusting....
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