kudos to Ben Simoneau and wgal 8

[Mickulz]

The funny part is Sean and I (and ever Armor) agree on a lot of the issues. It is just what to do about them that is the main part of the disagreement.

[freddyv]

mickulz said:

Now you are starting to see my point (and I am sure Sean will have the other side):

The Constitution trumps all other laws. So, patent law means nothing IF we wanted to enforce the Constitution strictly. The government could some in and say, we like your invention. We are holding exclusive rights to it for a while, so you can not sell it to Sony.

The 14th is about how to be a US citizen. If we take it by the word, any illegal (or person visiting the US for vacation) who happens to give birth, their child can be a citizen.

And sure, interpretation is up to the Judicial Branch, but they are appointed by by the Executive branch. See what a circle this is?

"To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;"

unless I am reading this wrong, this states that the government has the authority to secure exclusive rights TO the inventor...i.e. the INVENTOR has the rights, much like how a patent operates. so I still am not seeing the confusion. patent law does not seem in conflict with this (from what I remember of patent law).

birthright citizenship is currently the name of the game. some people (such as ron paul) have discussed revoking this to help remove the incentive to sneak into our country illegally.

the supreme court used the 14th amendment in their Roe v. Wade decision. that was a real head-scratcher for me, especially considering the original intent of the 14th amendment.

certainly the judicial branch is not infallible. hence the checks and balances...the legislative branch can check the judicial branch.

[seanx]

....funny I just posted the article on the Supreme Court before I realized you were getting into this argument.........look, there are SUPPOSED to be checks and balances, but when you've got secret societies undermining the true purpose of our Constitution and funding their candidates in coordination with the super-elite/banking/corporate trusts, herein lies the conspiracy....they want their bloodlines/families to have it all and fuck the rest of us......it's been going on for ages and that is why most revolutions came about.................

hey Mickulz, are you going to get your law degree from a school or online? I'm trying to research a place online to try and get it done, but am not having much success.....any thoughts? I want to study Constitutional Law and I've got my BA in Communications (Film and Screenwriting......no comment)...........I'll make a law school documentary........

[freddyv]

I looked at law...they make it very hard for you if you don't want to go full-time during the day. I briefly checked out Dickinson and other local schools online...not really any options from what I found. I didn't search extremely in-depth though.

[Mickulz]

I am finishing up the Bach. then looking at Nova or Dickinson. You can do pre-law at PSU Harrisburg (I think). They have a GREAT constitutional law class there.


The whole point about the inventor is that if I am an American inventor, they can stop me from inventing things for other countries. Again..it is all about how you read it.

You hit the nail on the head in a sense when you said:
"birthright citizenship is currently the name of the game. some people (such as ron paul) have discussed revoking this to help remove the incentive to sneak into our country illegally."

So for now, he has to support it, because he is a strict Constitutionalist.

[freddyv]

he doesn't have to support it...but he does have to obey it.

[Mickulz]

you know what I meant.

[freddyv]

mickulz said:

The whole point about the inventor is that if I am an American inventor, they can stop me from inventing things for other countries.

"To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;"

there is nothing in that statement that would prevent creating anything in or for another country. it just says that the US will secure the rights for you in the US. kinda like how you can get a german patent, or a US patent.

[sayten]

sorry to interrupt your cock smoking session

Ben is doing some fine work.....